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Post by earl on Aug 24, 2009 16:13:02 GMT
The out-going British ambassador to Ireland has said he is "very hopeful" that the Queen will visit the Republic "before too long".
Speaking to the Irish Times David Reddaway said: "I hope it'll happen soon."
It has previously been indicated that such a visit is likely to happen only after the devolution of policing and justice powers to Northern Ireland.
Mr Reddaway said Anglo-Irish relations had been "transformed."
He told the Irish Times, "we are no longer defined by what divides us" and are instead "defined by the advantages of working together and what we have in common".
Mr Reddaway will leave his post at the end of the month, after three years.
He is moving to Ankara where he takes up the position of British ambassador to Turkey.
Last year Irish President Mary McAleese said a Royal visit to the Republic was "significantly closer" but was "dependent on the completion of devolution."
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Post by Wasp on Aug 24, 2009 22:12:56 GMT
The Irish president should look at her own hypocritical doorstep. Apart from insulting the entire Unionist community she has had many visits to this part of the UK and it is only common decency to return the invitations to the head of state of the country that you have been a frequent guest to in their public role.
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Post by earl on Aug 25, 2009 8:58:43 GMT
It would seem that you don't believe in forgiveness WASP. She apologised years ago for that, but don't let that get in the way of being offended. Clearly you don't believe in Christian values like forgiving someone who has apologised and admitted a mistake.
She wasn't the only world leader to describe the PUL community in less than a flattering fashion. One of your own former prime ministers likened ye to Muslim extremists, so stop acting like she's the only world leader who has insulted you. The president and her husband have done more for the loyalist community than the queen ever has.
And it's not up to the president to hand out invitations to all her friends and pals, official invites come from the government, but don't let that get in the way of your bitter hatred.
And she has made many visits to NI, because that's where she is from. Are you saying that the President of Ireland can't go home for a visit?
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Post by Wasp on Aug 25, 2009 15:37:17 GMT
Speaking about forgiveness why dont you preach that to all those who object to her visit. So your government is fully responsible as to why Her Majesty has not received an invite even though your government claims to be working for Unionists as well and even though the Irish president has been here officially numerous times, Her Majesty still has not received an invite from your government. Now what were you saying about forgiveness, what is it republicans harp on about moving on etc etc?  Stop twisting what I said, re-read my posts as per usual and note what visits I am talking about. The concern yourself with your governments own backward flat earthed attitude. |
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Post by Harry on Aug 25, 2009 16:42:03 GMT
WASP, listen stop being so hard on these Republicans.
They have alot of issues going on right now. Alot of houses to burn out and alot of OO halls to destroy. They still have areas which have pockets of resistance (prods). In fact things are so bad for them that they have even now had to start setting up armed checkpoints in case the resistance spreads.......there can be no let up for them.
Sure everyone else must forget what they have done. Their cause was noble, justified and entirely forced upon them. They had no choice but to bomb and kill. Irish unity is more important than life. Don't you know that we were actually responsible for alot of the deaths. If we had only listened properly when they phoned in the warnings then no one would of been killed. Its in the small print of the IRA handbook. ' If a coded warning is given then all responsibility lies with the man/woman you have just told. If they panic then that is their fault.' Come on WASP read the small print.
The Queen has wreaked horrific suffering on the Irish people. Hell forget the fact that 'all republicans' have accepted and demanded that we must allow ex provos to be in government up here in the north. That is only a minor thing to them. Just because Unionism swallowed that bitter pill in no way means that the filth of the monarch will be welcomed in Dublin. Hell No!!
So WASP you see how we are wrong so much so please leave it out ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jim on Aug 25, 2009 17:40:42 GMT
Harry you are quick to be smirk but lately has it not been you and Wasp doing the gurning?  I fail to see how a visit to the Republic from the Queen has anything to do with the Provos or northern Republicans after all we are in a different country are we not? Not to mention Republicans arent exactly loyal to the southern Government either  Instead why dont you keep in mind that as the Government sends out invitations; Government policies change more often than a pair of boxers after a chicken vindaloo. All Governments are fickle and quick to change their mind, this is a matter for the Irish and British governments, not for wee Mary, wee Lizzy or for us in the north, infact it has extremely little to do with us up here. Well, you dont have to allow anything, its not your place to allow it. I find it odd that you are hoping for a visit to the Republic by your head of state considering Unionists have wanted to put up their own iron curtain around the border for the past 80 years. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 25, 2009 23:14:20 GMT
WASP, listen stop being so hard on these Republicans. They have alot of issues going on right now. Alot of houses to burn out and alot of OO halls to destroy. They still have areas which have pockets of resistance (prods). In fact things are so bad for them that they have even now had to start setting up armed checkpoints in case the resistance spreads.......there can be no let up for them. Sure everyone else must forget what they have done. Their cause was noble, justified and entirely forced upon them. They had no choice but to bomb and kill. Irish unity is more important than life. Don't you know that we were actually responsible for alot of the deaths. If we had only listened properly when they phoned in the warnings then no one would of been killed. Its in the small print of the IRA handbook. ' If a coded warning is given then all responsibility lies with the man/woman you have just told. If they panic then that is their fault.' Come on WASP read the small print. The Queen has wreaked horrific suffering on the Irish people. Hell forget the fact that 'all republicans' have accepted and demanded that we must allow ex provos to be in government up here in the north. That is only a minor thing to them. Just because Unionism swallowed that bitter pill in no way means that the filth of the monarch will be welcomed in Dublin. Hell No!! So WASP you see how we are wrong so much so please leave it out ;D ;D ;D Well Harry I think I will take your advice mate. ;D Excellent points on what is going on here, well said. |
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Post by Wasp on Aug 25, 2009 23:17:11 GMT
Jim that is an unfair reply to Harry. When the head/leader of a country carries out numerous official visits to another country isnt it only courtesy to respond with the same?? Refusal just shows the true sickening bigoted attitude of those who oppose her visit yet support the Irish presidents visit to the country where Her Majesty is Queen of.
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Post by Jim on Aug 26, 2009 5:00:50 GMT
It wasnt unfair, I think his entire post was unfair satire of Republicans, as if our voices and opinions have no legitimacy to them, which they ofcourse do. You can disagree with us, dont mock us please, I wont mock your political ideals.
When the head of state is of a country that carried out many atrocities and occupied the country things are a bit different Wasp. If Irish soldiers went into a football ground in London and opened fire on the crowd, as just one example, while occupying it, and continues to have a presence in another part of the island which is against the policy of the other Government in power, I doubt Gordon Brown would be busting his hole to get an Irish president over. Thats just how it is. Its actually a lot more complicated than that.
Theres no bigoted attitude about it, its how international relations work these days. It takes many years of peace to achieve what you want now. It was only a couple of decades ago British-Irish relations internationally were at their worst since the second world war.
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Post by earl on Aug 26, 2009 9:43:43 GMT
WASP, listen stop being so hard on these Republicans. They have alot of issues going on right now. Alot of houses to burn out and alot of OO halls to destroy. They still have areas which have pockets of resistance (prods). In fact things are so bad for them that they have even now had to start setting up armed checkpoints in case the resistance spreads.......there can be no let up for them. Sure everyone else must forget what they have done. Their cause was noble, justified and entirely forced upon them. They had no choice but to bomb and kill. Irish unity is more important than life. Don't you know that we were actually responsible for alot of the deaths. If we had only listened properly when they phoned in the warnings then no one would of been killed. Its in the small print of the IRA handbook. ' If a coded warning is given then all responsibility lies with the man/woman you have just told. If they panic then that is their fault.' Come on WASP read the small print. The Queen has wreaked horrific suffering on the Irish people. Hell forget the fact that 'all republicans' have accepted and demanded that we must allow ex provos to be in government up here in the north. That is only a minor thing to them. Just because Unionism swallowed that bitter pill in no way means that the filth of the monarch will be welcomed in Dublin. Hell No!! So WASP you see how we are wrong so much so please leave it out ;D ;D ;D Is this directed at me? |
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Post by earl on Aug 26, 2009 9:54:02 GMT
It would seem that no matter how often I condemn attacks on unionists, condemn the IRA, support the GFA, try and understand the unionist perspective, that at the end of the day, I'm simply a republican and none of that matters. I'm scum like those spivs who are wrecking community property then Harry? Is that your opinion? Is it that republicans are scum, every one of them? I would really like to know how you feel Harry, because the impression I get is that you are more than willing to lump us all into the same boat as these scumbags who are on the rampage.
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Post by Wasp on Aug 26, 2009 17:03:18 GMT
To Jim and Earl, please dont let this get into an unfounded rant. Jim your going back almost 100 years, well I will do the same. What about Protestants in the republic after partition?? What about the discrimination against Protestants that continue to this day? What about the republics refusal to extradite in wanted and known terrorists guilty of attrocities here???
I could go on and I do not need to go back almost 100 years. Your excuse is feeble and just shows the double standards of republican thinking. We are to accept current terrorists and terrorist leaders in government, we are to accept numerous visits by the republics president even though she insulted an entire community (but hey she apologized), we are to accept this president who represents a country that provided a safe haven to terrorists etc, yet we have to listen to why you refuse Her Majesty visiting the republic because of almost 100 years ago and she wasnt even born.
You say it takes years to build relationships like what I want, bullshit, the Irish president has made many official visits to the UK and Unionists could point out many things why she shouldnt visit. It is common deceny between nations to respond with an invite to whatever countrys leader.
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Post by Harry on Aug 26, 2009 17:05:11 GMT
If Republicans on here can't see how SF now being in Government in Northern Ireland and the fact that ROI people can't stomach a visit from the Queen isn't in some way linked then i'm not going to try and explain why i think it fucking stinks to high heaven.
It was a rather tongue in cheek reply but i didn't tell any lies!! Protestants are being ethnically cleansed in numerous areas of NI. Republicans have been setting up roadblocks. OO halls must be the most attacked halls in all of the world??
I no longer accept this shit that they are not Republicans. They aren't from my bloody community i'll tell you that. Its to convenient to say they aren't Republicans as it somehow seems that Republicans were all bloody angels. Oh god us Republicans would never engage in such acts!!! Bullshit.
Earl its up to you what you label yourself as. There are decent Republicans willing to listen and engage and there are other Republicans who are so far stuck in the dark ages that its frightening. All Republicans to me. I'm sick of media reporting Loyalist mobs this and that. We are all Loyalist scum so i'm simply responding in kind.
I don't think we have anyone on here Republican that i wouldn't class as decent so hopefully that should answer your question.
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Post by Jim on Aug 26, 2009 20:10:59 GMT
To Jim and Earl, please dont let this get into an unfounded rant. Jim your going back almost 100 years, well I will do the same. What about Protestants in the republic after partition?? What about the discrimination against Protestants that continue to this day? What about the republics refusal to extradite in wanted and known terrorists guilty of attrocities here??? I could go on and I do not need to go back almost 100 years. Your excuse is feeble and just shows the double standards of republican thinking. We are to accept current terrorists and terrorist leaders in government, we are to accept numerous visits by the republics president even though she insulted an entire community (but hey she apologized), we are to accept this president who represents a country that provided a safe haven to terrorists etc, yet we have to listen to why you refuse Her Majesty visiting the republic because of almost 100 years ago and she wasnt even born. You say it takes years to build relationships like what I want, bullshit, the Irish president has made many official visits to the UK and Unionists could point out many things why she shouldnt visit. It is common deceny between nations to respond with an invite to whatever countrys leader. You mean the protestants that have always played a big part in the republic state? Sure, things have happened, I wont condone that either so i take that point on board and accept it. You talk to me as if Im loyal to the south, I'm not Why would the Republic extradite anyone? Its their call and their right. You constantly refer to Republican double standards but the southern state isnt exactly our creation ive never lived there. Lets remember the current President is from the North so I would assume she has went through the same as everyone else in NI before leaving, just as many thousands have left over the years. Rather than referring to just your community as if she is a foreigner, she referred to your community as someone born and bred in NI. If you dont think it takes years to build international relations I would ask you to look up British foreign policy, French foreign polcy, American foreign policy, christ, any countries foreign policy. Relations take decades to build. Unionists can point out things all they want, they form no part of the British Government and have 0 say in Government policy, that alone is for Labour to decide while they are in Government who to invite, and surprise surprise, its part of an effort to build international relations with the Republic. The Republic feels more needs to be done in Northern Ireland to continue these relations, but they will get better over the coming years, its natural. Politicians and diplomats to other countries are extremely fickle. There is little common decency when it comes to the international community, if there was we'd be living in a utopia, not an anarchistic leaderless world. International relations is one of the major parts of my university degree in politics so I've read too much to be as optimistic as you are, I'm very pessimistic when it comes to it. Wouldnt trust any country as far as you could throw them. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 26, 2009 20:14:13 GMT
If Republicans on here can't see how SF now being in Government in Northern Ireland and the fact that ROI people can't stomach a visit from the Queen isn't in some way linked then i'm not going to try and explain why i think it fucking stinks to high heaven. It was a rather tongue in cheek reply but i didn't tell any lies!! Protestants are being ethnically cleansed in numerous areas of NI. Republicans have been setting up roadblocks. OO halls must be the most attacked halls in all of the world?? I no longer accept this shit that they are not Republicans. They aren't from my bloody community i'll tell you that. Its to convenient to say they aren't Republicans as it somehow seems that Republicans were all bloody angels. Oh god us Republicans would never engage in such acts!!! Bullshit. Earl its up to you what you label yourself as. There are decent Republicans willing to listen and engage and there are other Republicans who are so far stuck in the dark ages that its frightening. All Republicans to me. I'm sick of media reporting Loyalist mobs this and that. We are all Loyalist scum so i'm simply responding in kind. I don't think we have anyone on here Republican that i wouldn't class as decent so hopefully that should answer your question. Hold on then, who said the people of ROI? People do not make policy, parties and governments do. Wether or not SF are in Government in the north is irrelevant to the south, in the south SF are an opposition party to the Government of the Republic. Now, if it was Fianna Fail in Government in both states it would be a point worth making but its not. Irish Republicanism is too complex a movement to class everyone as "just republicans", it doesnt work that way. Fianna Fail are Republicans, but thats a very different breed to SF, and they're an even different breed to dissidents who have very very different ideas to all other Republicans. The only thing they all have in common is wanting an all Ireland state, thats it. To say we're all "just Republicans" is like saying all loyalists are "just loyalists" and putting the PUP in the same seat as the DUP, even though their ideas are extremely different in almost every way other than keeping the union. |
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