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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 15:55:35 GMT
If Aidan directly calls someone a religious name then it is no different from when we have fall outs on here and we say things to eachother that we dont normally do. If he is given his views on how he views religious beliefs then that is no different than people expressing support for ira or uda actions.
Whats worse supporting actions that killed people including children, or stating how you feel about a certain faith??
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 19, 2009 19:13:23 GMT
Part of the reason I haven't moaned about Aidan is because I was nearly in bad in regards to mocking WASPs faith at times, which in retrospect I think was a childish way to behave. I will add to this although it's off-topic that I'm approaching a sea-change in my own attitudes where I have rejected the verities of both the IRA and it's opposite numbers such as the UVF etc. and am increasingly beginning to see that basically these were violent terrorist groups and that any justification of their activities offered by any side here is ultimately shallow when we consider the realities of their actions. Since been married I've been sitting down re-evaluating how I look at life and one day it struck me forcibly how everyone Catholic or Protestant killed by any organisation was a real person and not just a statistic. I've recently been thinking a lot about the rhetoric for political violence used by both unionists and republicans in Irish history and on the whole I think looking closely at it that it has been a force for evil and merely reinforced tribalist atittudes. This post is probably going to shock some here but I'm swiftly moving towards the position adopted by people like Sheehy-Skeffington who desired a unifed, self-governing Ireland but would not support militancy to achieve it. I no longer think an united Ireland is worth one death or ever was (nor do I think the union with Britain was worth killing any one over either) and my position on Irish history has changed radically in recent months. A lot of that has to do with me re-embracing my own faith again and seeing that perhaps the Church was right in attempting to tell Irishmen of all persuasions to abandon violence to further their political aims.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 21:03:54 GMT
At the end of the day those were your viewpoints, you gave yours and I gave mine. TBH I was going to post this on another thread instead but I will post these words here. 'BA believe it or not I am not comfortable with pointing out the wrongs of Romanist doctrine so consistantly because I am a strong believer in religious freedom for all and if you worshiped a blade of graa then that is your choice. I can only hope that you do not see my words as that of the sectarian attitude between Prods and catholics, but rather see them as someone defending God's word and challenging those who add or take away from it.
That is fantastic to hear and I mean that.
Well done to married life.
agreed.
Again good to hear.
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Post by Royalist0007 on Oct 19, 2009 21:20:37 GMT
Setanta,
What's wrong with condemning the errors of the Pope of Rome's cult,& why it is Hell-bound?
Romanism ISN'T Christian at all,& that's a fact!
Aidan.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 21:28:18 GMT
Last time Im highlighting it WASP. 2.)No posts that encourage violence, racism, sexism or religious bigotry. Then you need to change the rules and either allow debate on relgious viewpoints or stop it completely and NOT ALLOW debate on political viewpoints concerning the troubles where people were killed and many many more maimed. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 19, 2009 21:58:23 GMT
I think we could move away from saying other people are Hell-bound, I think that's deliberately offensive.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 22:03:09 GMT
I think we could move away from saying other people are Hell-bound, I think that's deliberately offensive. Believe me when I say I am not trying to be funny or awkward here, but I do not see anything wrong with that in itself, but only to label 1 faith as being hellbound I do disagree with. As things stand I am hell bound and I am not the only one by a longshot and that is why I see nothing wrong with people saying the phrase hell bound. Do I believe people are hell bound?? Of course I do and I am on the same path as them. Unless people change there ways, how they worship God or don't worship etc then they are also hell bound right from the athiest to the catholic to the Protestant to the muslim to the hindu etc etc. |
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Post by Blue Angel on Oct 19, 2009 22:18:04 GMT
How they worship is ultimately though less important than the content of their hearts and souls, to borrow from scripture, it's not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean or in other words outward observation of one faith can be meaningful or not depending on the individual. I certainly do not think all people of other faiths are hell-bound and ultimately only God knows.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 22:35:20 GMT
How they worship is ultimately though less important than the content of their hearts and souls, to borrow from scripture, it's not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean or in other words outward observation of one faith can be meaningful or not depending on the individual. I certainly do not think all people of other faiths are hell-bound and ultimately only God knows. If people do not believe in the Word of God then I firmly believe they are hell bound along with the pretenders who pretend and claim to believe in God's word. The bible is quite clear on those that shall enter heaven and at the end of the day we will all find out sooner or later for ourselves. |
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Post by Royalist0007 on Oct 19, 2009 22:53:03 GMT
Wasp,
We Protestants know that the Pope of Rome IS definitely Hell-bound.
There's a throne waiting for Pope Benedict XVI of Rome at the right hand of the Devil down in Hell.
Pope John Paul II of Rome is already on his throne in Hell.
The 2 lucky numbers of the Pope of Rome are 13 & 666.
Aidan.
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 23:02:03 GMT
Wasp, We Protestants know that the Pope of Rome IS definitely Hell-bound. There's a throne waiting for Pope Benedict XVI of Rome at the right hand of the Devil down in Hell. Pope John Paul II of Rome is already on his throne in Hell. The 2 lucky numbers of the Pope of Rome are 13 & 666. Aidan. Aidan unless these popes had a change of heart during there dying breaths then I firmly believe they are in hell and will be in hell. But dont fool yourself into thinking they are the only ones, many Protestants will also be joining them. |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 19, 2009 23:03:28 GMT
Revelation 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place--unless you repent. 6 "But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God."
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Post by Royalist0007 on Oct 19, 2009 23:08:02 GMT
Wasp,
Which Protestants will end up in the Lake of Fire?
Aidan.
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Post by collina on Oct 20, 2009 7:46:29 GMT
Wasp, We Protestants know that the Pope of Rome IS definitely Hell-bound. There's a throne waiting for Pope Benedict XVI of Rome at the right hand of the Devil down in Hell. Pope John Paul II of Rome is already on his throne in Hell. The 2 lucky numbers of the Pope of Rome are 13 & 666. Aidan. So, are you going to heaven then Aidan? |
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Post by Wasp on Oct 20, 2009 16:40:03 GMT
Wasp, Which Protestants will end up in the Lake of Fire? Aidan. Let's start with me.............. |
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