The IRA,its bombs,targets,motives

[Harry]

How can anyone justify the IRA campaign?? Did the IRA take civillian life into account?? Were the IRA forced into their actions by the British?? Have it all out here folks!!

[Jim]

I don't feel this is worth much effort Harry we have done this to death from this site to the old site. We know my views and we know Wasps views and your own views and we even know AFDs views who would have the most experience to talk about it. There were far too many bombs to generalise them into one paragraph, bombs of economic targets, military targets, revenge targets, warning bombs, no warning bombs, and maybe even bombs of clear intent to kill as many as possible.

[Harry]

The IRA knew all the risks with every bomb they planted. There were no mistakes ever. Making excuses for them is just lame. The IRA murdered innocent people and did so knowingly. All this economic targets is just yet another Republican excuse to try and avoid the admittance they were dragged into a sectarian war and carried out sectarian attacks.

[Harry]

jim said:

I don't feel this is worth much effort Harry we have done this to death from this site to the old site. We know my views and we know Wasps views and your own views and we even know AFDs views who would have the most experience to talk about it. There were far too many bombs to generalise them into one paragraph, bombs of economic targets, military targets, revenge targets, warning bombs, no warning bombs, and maybe even bombs of clear intent to kill as many as possible.

Well the thread is here now for it if people want to continue to air their views and it keeps it out of other threads.

[Wasp]

They were far from dragged into sectarian attacks, I think republican history should show us that it has all to often been sectarian in nature.

The ira planned and tried to kill and maim as many people as possible while keeping an eye on the republican propaganda band wagon. Reassessment of this would have led them to try to minimize casualties in certain attacks to help back their false claims, lies and bullshit.

Republican excuses are unbelievable in trying to justify the ira in trying to bomb my community into a U.I

[Jim]

Wasp I'm surprised you havent blamed the IRA for the 9/11 attacks yet. Would be a perfect way for them to fill their blood lust and drink from the skulls of the dead in a satanic ritual after a good run wouldnt it?

[Wasp]

Nice diflection Jim but I will stick to facts and the truth which republicans are scared of.

[Jim]

Wouldn't call it a deflection myself, just a bit of sarcasm. Republicans arent afraid of facts, we have plenty of our own that many people don't want to know about.

You talk about propaganda as if its a bad thing, but keep in mind everyone used propaganda to their own benefit, the RUC did, the Brits did, Loyalists did, the IRA did, Special Branch did, the Government did, the BBC did, theres nothing wrong with propaganda its just another aspect of war.

[Wasp]

The problem with this is that the ira wanted to kill and maim as many as possible which they proved all too often. But because of the adverse affect continuous no warning bombs would have, they had to counter it by giving misleading and inadequate warnings where they can react to any bad publicity by saying it was only an economic target, we gave warnings etc etc.

[Wasp]

Setanta you really have not a clue. Look at the difference in the campaign in England and the campaign in Ulster. It is obvious to even a blind and deaf man that many bombings in N.I were sectarian in nature.

I think Earl and I have already covered the reasons of their phone warnings which were inadequate. They wanted to keep ontop of the propaganda wagon. But just you keep on trying to defend the undefensable and insult every Unionist here with your lame dead excuses.

[Wasp]

setanta said:

You and Earl? Sure how many IRA Volunteers do you know? How many of them told you their motivations?

;D ;D ;D ;D Now that made me laugh. So what they say backs up your claims??? ;D ;D ;D

Lets stick to the facts, there may be a few but in general you couldn't really take the word of people who were in such a vilent sectarian killing machine now would you. Anywonder you believe all these fantasy myths and legends about the brave ira, bit like many republican songs, only words, only words.

Now try to stick with facts instead of those old dogs on the street, aren't they the ones you get at me about???

[Wasp]

Based on what evidence?? Bombs planted to kill and maim as many people as possible? Who did the study??

Setanta your post is nothing short of an insulting joke, I don't need anyone to study it to tell me what happened. I was brought up through it, had relatives and friends both killed and injured and I have decades of media coverage along with thousands and thousands of witnesses. Before I asked why did the ira target mainly Unionist towns and you tried to say they were targeting the bases in them and that was the reason. That alone proves your lack of knowledge apart from those dogs in the street who spoonfeed you with their lies and propaganda.

Either you are remarkably stupid and naive or your blatant sectarian nature in supporting such actions are the reason someone would post what you did. Why even debate with a fantasist concerning what really happened.

Keep dreaming setanta

[Wasp]

So basically you don't have anything to back your assertions then? You keep say there was more bombs in Unionist towns then in Nationalist ones but you haven't provided numbers?

Hard to get numbers off the top of my head when we are looking back over 30 years ffs. Why did you try and excuse the ira for mainly bombing Unionists areas? Do you remember Harry said about they just drove through nationalist areas to bomb mainly Unionist areas etc? Did you watch the news as to where most of the bombing were?

Crossmaglen being the most bombed place in Europe not ring a bell with you?

This just proves your inability to differentiate, Crossmaglen was targeted because of the security forces and you will find it was the bases rather than the actual town. I am on about civillian targets or can't you tell the difference. Then again the ira didn't really take note of the difference.

In short don't expect me to accept everything you say, just because you say it, and because you'll get offended if I don't.

No not at all, don't expect me to sit back and be birdmouthed because of the insulting claims you make which prove you really haven't a clue. Never worry about me being offended, republicans have been offending me for decades and continue to do so.

Don't expect me to accept full resposibility and blame just because you think everything was all of the IRA's making.

Nice try at difflecting from the truth setanta, again your lame attmepts won't wash with me.

Don't expect me to see the British Armys actions as being any more legitimate then the IRAs
Don't expect me to see the British Army and Governments tactics as being any different to the IRA's.

no you are too naive, too brainwashed to see the truth and accept it. Your mindset is to be pitied more than to be laughed at. Could you now start on about sf and equality, and peace etc just to brighten up my day.

The world doesn't work like that and we what we know about the conflict tells us that.

you don't know much about the terrorist campaigns in N.I

I'm not going to wear sack-clothe and ashes and I don't expect you to either.

I Didn't ask you too. it is your conscience so you deal with it.

Too much has come out for any of us to apportion more blame to any group.

yeh thats what you want us to believe and say but sorry you are very much mistaken if you think we are going to come close to that.

[Wasp]

Jusgt one point setanta where did you get the its all the republicans fault from?? I replied to what you said and not once did I say it was all the republicans fault. As per usual to try and win an arguement you have to put words into my mouth and take what I said out of context.

Pretty good act on being a lawyer, I am sure with your party you would have plenty of experience dealing with lawyers

[Bilk]

setanta said:

So basically you don't have anything to back your assertions then? You keep say there was more bombs in Unionist towns then in Nationalist ones but you haven't provided numbers?

Crossmaglen being the most bombed place in Europe not ring a bell with you?

In short don't expect me to accept everything you say, just because you say it, and because you'll get offended if I don't.
Don't expect me to accept full resposibility and blame just because you think everything was all of the IRA's making.
Don't expect me to see the British Armys actions as being any more legitimate then the IRAs
Don't expect me to see the British Army and Governments tactics as being any different to the IRA's.

The world doesn't work like that and we what we know about the conflict tells us that.

I'm not going to wear sack-clothe and ashes and I don't expect you to either.

Too much has come out for any of us to apportion more blame to any group.

Don't know how we got onto a sectarian argument as to whose towns were bombed the most. The fact is the IRA didn't give a shit who they killed, just as long as their bombs grabbed the headlines. And the more people that died the more likely that would be. Now if that makes you as a person feel better about them then sobeit, to me it makes them even worse bastards. Even their own were expendable in their maddness.
As to their socalled warnings, absolute crap and you know it, and so does every other sane person in the world. It's ok to murder people just so long as you give a warning. I don't know of any bomb the provos detonated that wasn't at a time when it was most likely to kill people. I'm sure someone will drag one up from somewhere, but all it will be is the exception that proves the rule.