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Post by Wasp on Apr 4, 2008 16:33:19 GMT
No the cenotaphs are dedicated to an army that bravely fought in the world wars, helped save countless lives around the world including here in N.I. They are not dedicated to an army who's sole purpose was to occupy your country or anything like it.
I will never respect any monument dedicated to terrorists, not now not ever.
Even if I did respect your monuments it wouldn't be under a precondition that you respect cenataphs etc. There is a major difference between terrorist monuments and cenotaphs, they are not comparable.
If you want to commemorate those who's sole aim was to attack my community with ruthless actions then that is up to you but don't expect me to show the remotest bit of respect to those type of monuments.
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Post by Harry on Apr 4, 2008 17:02:27 GMT
Your not comparing like for Setanta in any way shape or form. Compare it with a UVF/UDA memorial and then we are on the same page.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 4, 2008 17:16:46 GMT
well we can all play that game and say the Cenotaphs are dedicated to an army that illegaly subjegated, terrorised and occupied my country. Doesn't get us very far now does it? How about I respect your Cenotaph and you respect our Monuments Your country? bit of a arrogent statement there, but one that sums up the sinn fein mindset perfectly. Blik has already posed the question but did not recieve an answer, how can the men that the vast majorty of the cenotaphs or dedicated to occupy thier own country? And since we are on the subject of citzns of this island and since you in sinn fein regard unionist as Irish men (all be it confused) then iyou could say that most IRA monuments are dedicated to people who spent thier time blowing up 'irish' citys up and murdering 'irish' people, and you think thats worth remembering? |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 7, 2008 10:56:55 GMT
Setanta as you have been clearly told you are not comparing like for like. The very monuments that you want respected are monuments of people/organisation whos sole purpose was to attack everything British including its citizens in outrageous sectarian attacks.
It is republicans who should show respect and get rid of these insensitive and provocative monuments and commemorations. The monuments that you honour are honouring those who shot unarmed civillians, planted bombs to kill as many civillians in mainly Unionist towns and areas killing and maiming thousands. That was there purpose, that was there intention and we have all the facts to prove it.
The cenotaphs are a completely different thing, and even me trying to show you the difference is pointless because IMO you are brainwashed in a rom antic fantasy of what the ira done instead of what they really done. Yet it is you who calls for respect. Absolute hypocricy.
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Post by Wasp on Apr 7, 2008 11:33:11 GMT
Why difflect from what I said, the facts are there to what the ira did, the facts are there to what some republicans supported. yet you have a problem with the truth being pointed out because what you claim to have happened flies in the face of years and years of proof, thousands of thousands of witness's and media reports.
You want to talk about respect yet you support monuments of those people who took part in this ongoing sectarian bloodbaths.
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Post by Harry on Apr 7, 2008 15:44:15 GMT
Well i can't debate any longer in this thread with you Setanta as you have a different view altogether on whats comparable. UVF/IRA fine to compare as far as i'm concerned. IRA/UVF and those who died in World Wars isn't even close. So i have nothing further to add to this, we are so far apart that we would only waste each others time.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 7, 2008 15:56:43 GMT
wilderness, I mean Ireland. All 32 Counties throughout history. And what? those monuments are still dedicated to people who murdered people who according to you own party were for the main part 'Irish' and blew up citys that again were accodring to your party in the main part 'Irish' citys |
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 7, 2008 15:59:37 GMT
That's right WASP. Us Republicans are all monster out to get you for no other reason other then pure hated. Finally a sinn fein member speaks the truth about his party |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 7, 2008 16:06:24 GMT
I agree with you here Harry, it is absolutely pointless. Setanta IMO without being rude as I am being perfectly serious etc, I think you are too brainwashed to see anything different so it is a complete waste of time.
You are on a different planet so I think I should also leave this thread and stick to threads where we are on the same level instead of some being in the real world and some on cloud 9.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 8, 2008 16:05:48 GMT
my cenotaphs? i'm afraid i don't have any, as for British army cenotaphs i am aware of none that commerate specfic operations in Northern Ireland in which innocent people were murderd unlike the PIRA
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Post by Wasp on Apr 8, 2008 18:13:36 GMT
wilderness a few of us have already dropped off this thread as you will have seen. In all honesty how do you try to get through to anyone that commemorates the people who attacked our community for the last 3 decades nevermind commemorating dissidents then from 50 years ago then complaining about dissidents now.
I myself don't give up but even I see by the outrageous , ridiculous and idiotic posts that there is no point. I was talking to a Falklands war veteran earlier, his father was killed world war II and when I told him some of the replies he said is it any wander you Unionists want fuck all to do with sinn fein/ira if that is there attitude.
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Post by Jim on Apr 8, 2008 20:24:11 GMT
Nah we are just whingers and yaps that felt like bombing the poor down trodden prods for a laugh.
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 8, 2008 21:09:48 GMT
Nah we are just whingers and yaps that felt like bombing the poor down trodden prods for a laugh. now if only more republicans were as honest |
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Post by Wasp on Apr 10, 2008 11:02:31 GMT
Just shows how twisted you are setanta, not once did anyone say the nationalist community were not targeted, difference here is most of us openly admit and condemn the nationalist community being targeted apart from of course the ira and their ilk. Yet you try to difflect and spin off the subject to twist things round to try and back your foolish and non existant arguement.
How can anyone honestly get through to such a twisted mindset???
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Post by He_Who_Walks_in_The_Wilderness on Apr 10, 2008 16:02:54 GMT
my cenotaphs? i'm afraid i don't have any, as for British army cenotaphs i am aware of none that commerate specfic operations in Northern Ireland in which innocent people were murderd unlike the PIRA there are memorials, like the one near Warrenpoint. and what specfic miltary operation does it commerate and were civlians killed in that operation |
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