At Home with Johnny Adair

[bearhunter]

Oh God, I'm not sure what I'm letting myself in for here, but however

"A Northern Ireland not harnessed by an illegal clause in a foreign governments constitution"

Can you explain how it was illegal?

[Jim]

A Northern Ireland not harnessed by an illegal clause in a foreign governments constitution,

You dont want to get into that, do you?

Foreign government, no government is as foreign as westminster.

[Wasp]

Jim Westminster is our gov whether we like it our not, they provided us with healthcare, education, housing, employment and alot of money to keep N.Ireland on it's feet. So Westminster is far from a foreign government no matter what your political opinions are.

[ulster2016]

BEARHUNTER thank you for giving me an easy question to answer
"A Northern Ireland not harnessed by an illegal clause in a foreign governments constitution"

Can you explain how it was illegal?

AHH..How was it illegal, Like the Anglo-Irish agreement that was signed by the two governments of Britain and Ireland. a legislation endorsed by both. LEGAL...
The claim by the ..then government of Ireland to lay claim to another soverign country was and is ILLEGAL...Though not challenged fully ....as it was part of a now available picture.

GOOGLE it... I do not want to bog the forum down with pages of mitigation in this matter.

And YES Jim.... Westminster was and is part of the current status in Northern Ireland Politics, yes far away politics we know. But it has now changed so dramatically, Sinn Fein are now talking to the one time "ENEMY" the PSNI, and the policing board, .
Now is this not worthy of a cursory nod.

This is POLITICS and I am not sure some of the forum are up to speed on what is really happening. And like all GOOD politicians we the followers will be among the LAST to know..

[bearhunter]

When I say illegal, I mean which law excactly did it contravene?

[Jim]

wasp said:

Jim Westminster is our gov whether we like it our not, they provided us with healthcare, education, housing, employment and alot of money to keep N.Ireland on it's feet. So Westminster is far from a foreign government no matter what your political opinions are.

f**k, thats very good of them, isnt it?

Westminster is a foreign government, we have never ever elected the British government, even before the partition. Northern Ireland doesn't even have enough constituencies to elect a government or to even sway a government, unless you want to compare the DUPs whole 9 MPs to Labours 350+, we can elect our own pissy parties and like it while England and its population of 60 million+ decide on who governs us, its a farse. Its as foreign as the irish government is.

[Jim]

ulster2016 said:

BEARHUNTER thank you for giving me an easy question to answer
"A Northern Ireland not harnessed by an illegal clause in a foreign governments constitution"

Can you explain how it was illegal?

AHH..How was it illegal, Like the Anglo-Irish agreement that was signed by the two governments of Britain and Ireland. a legislation endorsed by both. LEGAL...
The claim by the ..then government of Ireland to lay claim to another soverign country was and is ILLEGAL...Though not challenged fully ....as it was part of a now available picture.

GOOGLE it... I do not want to bog the forum down with pages of mitigation in this matter.

And YES Jim.... Westminster was and is part of the current status in Northern Ireland Politics, yes far away politics we know. But it has now changed so dramatically, Sinn Fein are now talking to the one time "ENEMY" the PSNI, and the policing board, .
Now is this not worthy of a cursory nod.

This is POLITICS and I am not sure some of the forum are up to speed on what is really happening. And like all GOOD politicians we the followers will be among the LAST to know..

I'm very up to speed on whats happening mate, infact I'm a politics student to go along with it and know more about how stormont, the dail and westminster work then you would think.

Article 2 and 3 in the irish constitution was not illegal, it was a territorial claim over this island that had its basis in the Irish republic before partition which was elected and formed on an all-ireland basis when MPs refused to travel to London. The claim after partition on Northern Ireland was never seen as illegal by anyone apart from unionists in the north. Britain refused sovereignty to Ireland for generations upon generations, was that illegal? Was it illegal when they executed leader after leader over many many years when that British right to "sovereignty" over Ireland was challenged?

Don't talk about agreements and treaties, how many treaties has Britain broke over the years from the days of its empire right up untill the second world war? Treaties come and go like the wind.

[ulster2016]

Thank You Jim ..."Mate"
Glad you are up to speed......, like my second son he also studied Politics and had all those answers like you. as you say "To go along with it"
And you know what he had no notion either..
Just a Head full of Academical Bum..ff.
Article 2 - 3 was not illegal...GOOD ..now that is sorted.
I can almost feel your academic fingers ..stomping on the keyboard..ILLEGAL...ILLEGAL .
And then you go back to the past...EXECUTIONS.... WERE these recent like since St. Andrews..time or past history?

I am only mentioning this in passing but is this forum not called
"The Way Forward"
or do you feel the need for a South African type solution

[bearhunter]

So U2016, you're not able to tell me which law Articles 2 and 3 contravened? They may have been deemed illegal (or at least unwelcome) in the UK, but that doesn't make them illegal. Sovereign countries have the right to enshrine aspitrations in their constitutions if they so desire, or is my head full of "academical" bumff?

[ulster2016]

Like the "sovernign Government" of Germany 1939 - 1944 they had aspirations too, Like to rule the world and have a bit of every other European country at that time. Is this the same?
So you are telling me that I was wrong and articles 2 - 3 were legal.
So why go before the Irish Parliment and have it removed?
Do you feel their was an agenda behind that?

In my opinion I am happy that this happened, and I am sure others feel the same

[Jim]

ulster2016 said:

Thank You Jim ..."Mate"
Glad you are up to speed......, like my second son he also studied Politics and had all those answers like you. as you say "To go along with it"
And you know what he had no notion either..
Just a Head full of Academical Bum..ff.
Article 2 - 3 was not illegal...GOOD ..now that is sorted.
I can almost feel your academic fingers ..stomping on the keyboard..ILLEGAL...ILLEGAL .
And then you go back to the past...EXECUTIONS.... WERE these recent like since St. Andrews..time or past history?

I am only mentioning this in passing but is this forum not called
"The Way Forward"
or do you feel the need for a South African type solution

Are you taking the piss? Infact, what are you on about?

First of, dont try to be patronising because I mentioned I'm a politics student. Keep your snide comments to yourself, you dont know anything about me or my life to assume anything other then what I've told you.

Whether you like it or not, Article 2 and 3 where not illegal, you would rather think they are.

The forum is called The Way Forward, its also called the Peoples Assembly, it was two forums that merged. You wanted to whinge about something being "illegal" in the irish constitution, not me, and when I tell you it wasnt illegal you take the piss as if I'm some middle class university student thats never seen trouble in his life, which I'm not. (I wish I was, I'd have less worries :

[Jim]

ulster2016 said:

Like the "sovernign Government" of Germany 1939 - 1944 they had aspirations too, Like to rule the world and have a bit of every other European country at that time. Is this the same?
So you are telling me that I was wrong and articles 2 - 3 were legal.
So why go before the Irish Parliment and have it removed?
Do you feel their was an agenda behind that?

In my opinion I am happy that this happened, and I am sure others feel the same

Why are you even trying to compare it with nazi germanys campaign to occupy europe? Wise up, if any country is guilty of occupation the world over its certainly not Ireland

Because they where eventually removed does not mean they where originally illegal. The agenda to remove them was because they where outdated and not going anyway, and most importantly the irish government has never crossed the border and doesnt have plans to do it either, so theres no point in keeping it.

[Blue Angel]

ulster2016 just a wee point, have you got access to the TARDIS or something? I ask because you go on about your second son studying politics above but your profile lists you as age 19, there's just a wee bit of inherent contradiction in here. Since you are proved to be a liar now on two counts I won't even bother dealing with your nonsens from above and the implicit comparisions you are trying (lamely, very lamely) to make between the third reich and the irish republic

[An Fear Dubh]

Only two lies?!

1. There is the poem he pretended was his, now I know he did not say it was his, but let us not get bogged down with nit picking but recognise the deception.

2. A 19yr old with a student son who empty headed and an Acidemic bum **ff.

3. You talk of welcomes but you just wish to gloat which is not a welcome, another lie.

4. You pretend Unionist pre 1969 were democratic another lie.

The list does go on, but I got bored counting and think you have done enough to expose yourself.