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Post by pheonix on May 28, 2007 12:15:41 GMT
Thank you for that Setanta. We look forward to welcoming new and old members to the site.
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Post by Blue Angel on May 28, 2007 18:14:03 GMT
yes i saw the message from paul in my emails about this before reading this here - i have only limited time to post to any where any more but i hope all goes well for carol as we all know what great fun hackers are.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 31, 2007 12:42:15 GMT
It is the first time I have viewed that site (TRWF), and I must say that it seems strange. Okay I accept they have been hacked and have just moved house. But the admin seem happy with the content, despite the obvious failings. The suggested ethos is 'a way forward' but for who? The TRWF seems to want to exclude republicans from joining in the look for a way forward. So you have to wonder how serious they are about looking for a way forward when they can not tollerate over 40% of the populations representives.
It suggests that the TRWF lack strong leadership, and weak leadership comes from a failure to fully understand the issues.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 31, 2007 13:51:35 GMT
I would have to differ, that forum is not about looking to explore a shared future. That forum is about looking for a scapegoat for the political mess loyalism is in.
Show me one positive response to looking for a shared future. Show me the historical analysis and the discussion based on facts. I see insults and gilted insults mascarading as questions, and I see no attempt by the admin to address the issue. Facts are not considered important and forum moderators are allowed lie. At the very least they should be removed as moderators, as they have shown themselves as untrustworthy.
Do not fool yourself that you are welcome, you are as welcome as dogs dirt on a shoe. If the site admin is serious about its intentions then it will act. But they have shown themselves to be weak leaders and they can not change what they are. It is not in the nature.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 31, 2007 15:23:07 GMT
If Carol did confront people before then my evaluation of her is wrong. I do not know the circumstances but trust your assessment, but feel you are too generous sometimes. I am only interested in the now, and see that drastic action is required to save that forum, as it is on a downward spiral. I see no point in proper participation in that forum if there is one set of rules for loyalism and another set for republicans.
I still do not see any evidence that they want a shared future despite your assertion that they do. I also note you did not highlight any positive responses, so I must assume that there is not any to highlight.
My criticism has nothing to do with your personal battle with 'Loyalirish', but I did take note that he was a moderator. My reference to lies, is in reference to some of his comments present in the new forum not to lies he told you in the past. He is not a 'nationalist', and I suppose that gem came from him too!
I do think that a joining of the two forums might be a benifit to both forums. Especially as Wasp has withdrawn, and Harry is erratic, we have become weak on Unionist imput. But 'Republic' is interesting and logical, but lacks the venom of northern unionists.
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Post by earl on May 31, 2007 15:58:52 GMT
Carol would be a saint if she believed in such things!!  |
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Post by Wasp on May 31, 2007 19:09:37 GMT
AFD I have not withdrawn, I am up to my eyes in work and that is the only reason I have not been here or on Calton as much.
Setanta we have had many, many heated debates and I assure you that you are more than welcome on Carol's forum, as is anyone that wants to talk in a meaningful manner. Sure we can all lose it, say things we don't mean etc, I am guilty of this on many an occasion, but everyone is welcome.
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Post by Harry on May 31, 2007 19:36:38 GMT
If Carol did confront people before then my evaluation of her is wrong. I do not know the circumstances but trust your assessment, but feel you are too generous sometimes. I am only interested in the now, and see that drastic action is required to save that forum, as it is on a downward spiral. I see no point in proper participation in that forum if there is one set of rules for loyalism and another set for republicans. I still do not see any evidence that they want a shared future despite your assertion that they do. I also note you did not highlight any positive responses, so I must assume that there is not any to highlight. My criticism has nothing to do with your personal battle with 'Loyalirish', but I did take note that he was a moderator. My reference to lies, is in reference to some of his comments present in the new forum not to lies he told you in the past. He is not a 'nationalist', and I suppose that gem came from him too! I do think that a joining of the two forums might be a benifit to both forums. Especially as Wasp has withdrawn, and Harry is erratic, we have become weak on Unionist imput. But 'Republic' is interesting and logical, but lacks the venom of northern unionists. Yeah cos AFD is the bee knees. What do you mean by i'm erratic?? |
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Post by Blue Angel on May 31, 2007 20:07:24 GMT
I must side with Setanta on this, Carol, whilst resolutely unionist, stood up to the er, more blockheaded proponents of that who wanted to make LU an apartheid like forum as many of us recall. Whilst we will alway disagree politically I do respect he integrity and lord knows considering the idiots from both republican and loyalist backgrounds we attracted at LU it was a thankful task been the moderator there.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 31, 2007 21:27:13 GMT
FD can be full of it sometimes!! What I mean by erratic is not daily and a prolific poster on numerous topics. You post selectively.
So in the past Carol showed great courage and integrity which does now hold her in good stead. But the time to act in her new forum is now and she has not acted and has allowed things to get out of control.
And I am glad to hear that Wasp is still buzzing as I thought I might have said too much. Because despite the fact I disageee with almost all he says I know he does represent a section of northern society and it is important that I hear his views regularly.
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Post by Wasp on May 31, 2007 21:35:59 GMT
FD can be full of it sometimes!! What I mean by erratic is not daily and a prolific poster on numerous topics. You post selectively. So in the past Carol showed great courage and integrity which does now hold her in good stead. But the time to act in her new forum is now and she has not acted and has allowed things to get out of control. And I am glad to hear that Wasp is still buzzing as I thought I might have said too much. Because despite the fact I disageee with almost all he says I know he does represent a section of northern society and it is important that I hear his views regularly.  AFD believe me mate it is nothing to do with what you said. I am real busy at work and at home. |
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Post by Harry on Jun 1, 2007 6:32:45 GMT
FD can be full of it sometimes!! What I mean by erratic is not daily and a prolific poster on numerous topics. You post selectively. So in the past Carol showed great courage and integrity which does now hold her in good stead. But the time to act in her new forum is now and she has not acted and has allowed things to get out of control. And I am glad to hear that Wasp is still buzzing as I thought I might have said too much. Because despite the fact I disageee with almost all he says I know he does represent a section of northern society and it is important that I hear his views regularly. ;D ;D ;D Goodness your a hard man to please ;D ;D Most days i work in the field so its only if my parts don't turn up or we have no faults that i can sit at home on my PC. Alot of stuff buddy i don't feel like i'm educated enough to comment, in the sense of i have no real understanding of the subject and don't like to get involved in debates when i'm miles behind already because of my lack of background knowledge. Carols is a top lady and was always fair. Again i can't comment on her site now because i haven't been on in months. |
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Post by earl on Jun 1, 2007 8:42:17 GMT
Alot of stuff buddy i don't feel like i'm educated enough to comment It doesn't stop any of the rest of us Harry! ;D If these were live debates, I'd be screwed! A few minutes googling always helps build a bit of confidence on a subject you've little experience on. Get your spoke in. Right or wrong, you'll be heard and that's what matters mate. |
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Post by pheonix on Jun 1, 2007 13:15:28 GMT
So in the past Carol showed great courage and integrity which does now hold her in good stead. But the time to act in her new forum is now and she has not acted and has allowed things to get out of control. Please get your facts straight before you make comments like this. The matter is being dealt with. It is negative attitudes and comments like this that cause problems. You cannot expect a matter to be dealt with just like that without everything being checked out and dealt with properly. |
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Post by Bilk on Jun 1, 2007 17:01:11 GMT
For those of you not aware of it, we would not be here today if it were not for Carol. I don't believe she has anything to prove to anyone on here. She has proved herself in the past, and that is good enough for me. Whatever probems you feel you might have with her, they are misguided and not based on facts.
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