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Post by Wasp on May 16, 2008 21:51:08 GMT
Can we do best comedy act??
Ruanne best comedian.
McGuinness best actor.
Paisley biggest liar.
Only joking, I will have to think about this for a bit.
For the south I would go for..................
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Post by Jim on May 17, 2008 2:18:22 GMT
Biggest arse that we all love anyway: Wasp
;D only joking mate
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 17, 2008 7:14:03 GMT
I watched that show, and the winner for the most memorable moment was Adams and Paisley sitting almost side by side. And I find that hard to top. I still find it amazing that Paisley showed such positive leadership for Unionism after a lifetime of negative leadership.
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Post by Wasp on May 17, 2008 17:34:56 GMT
Likewise I find it hard to believe that the likes of Adams and McGuiness could show or at least pretend to show positive leadership after a lifetime of negative leadership ignoring all other democratic parties with 'ourselves alone' attitude.
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Post by Wasp on May 17, 2008 17:35:41 GMT
Biggest arse that we all love anyway: Wasp ;D only joking mate ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I wouldn't have it anyother way mate. |
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 18, 2008 14:25:31 GMT
Reply 5 - I take that criticism on board Wasp of the inference that Adams' leadership was positive.
But I did not say Adams' was showing positive leadeship, I do not think Adams and McGuiness are showing positive leadership. But I do think they are the only Republicans showing leadership that has clearly achievable goals.
But I think your assumption was fair enough, and the criticism justified, if I had been 'politically point scoring'.
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Post by Wasp on May 18, 2008 18:20:43 GMT
I didn't think you were point scoring afd, I was pointing out likewise for Adam's etc. I don't take heated posts or knife cutting assumptions/facts or whatever within posts as point scoring. Perhaps the odd time but in general I see it more as people saying how they see it rather than to point score. The same goes for myself even though I have been accused many times of point scoring when infact I haven't been, it is just part of the debate which sometimes runs into tit for tat.
But that's politics.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 19, 2008 12:26:04 GMT
I am glad you understood the point I was making Wasp and appreciate the insight to your thinking process. As we all seem to be very sensitve and be looking to take out the wrong interpretation out of posts (I know I am guilty of this too). Which makes everyone even more edgy and we feel we are tip-toeing around each other.
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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 19, 2008 13:49:54 GMT
Not sure if it got lost in the waffle.
I nominate - Paisley and Adams sitting together in March 2007.
As most memorable moment.
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Post by collina on May 23, 2008 15:30:36 GMT
Catriona Ruane for remaining patient and mannerly in spite of the ridiculous and endless point scoring over children's education. |
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Post by Bilk on May 31, 2008 11:47:27 GMT
Catriona Ruane for remaining patient and mannerly in spite of the ridiculous and endless point scoring over children's education. Nope, I think the parents of these children concerned and the children themselves should be nominated. "For their patience and lack of militant politics" despite the fact that this woman may well be, (for the purposes of political ideology) destroying their whole future as an adult. I know there is no category for these people but there should be. |
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Post by collina on May 31, 2008 19:42:18 GMT
Catriona Ruane for remaining patient and mannerly in spite of the ridiculous and endless point scoring over children's education. Nope, I think the parents of these children concerned and the children themselves should be nominated. "For their patience and lack of militant politics" despite the fact that this woman may well be, (for the purposes of political ideology) destroying their whole future as an adult. I know there is no category for these people but there should be. The point scoring I refered to was the DUP, who could have taken the education portfolio having first choice under the selection process. Whatever her views, agree with them or not at least she had the courage to take the job on. The DUP's approach has been cowardly and spiteful, and has paid no more regard for children and parents than Ruane's department. While Paisley and Co, were negotiating for lucrative commercial contracts with Tony Blair, Sinn Fein were at least laying out some policy on education even if it was to suit their own ideology; which is what politics is all about. The reason I made the post is because I had seen a debate with Edwin Poots and Catriona Ruane and his behaviour towards her was unmannerly, condescending and sneering. However, he did not make a single suggestion as to what the DUP would do should they inherit the post at some time. She managed to behave with some decorum which I found refreshing. |
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Post by Jim on May 31, 2008 20:31:30 GMT
How is she destroying their future?
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Post by Bilk on May 31, 2008 21:23:29 GMT
How is she destroying their future? It's not like we don't have something to gauge this by. Her determination to tinker with the education system in Northern Ireland (a system which in both communities has produced the best results in the UK for decades) The movement in England scotland and Wales away from ability based schooling, as in the 11+ has been a disaster. Her determination to follow that path to me rules her out of any award that might be on offer, unless it's a big conicle cap with a "D" on it. Ok in those countries there may be more people passing O and A levels, but the number who are coming out of full time education with little or no qualifications is growing at a much faster rate than those acheiving. Now anything that smacks of political ideology in education is something I will oppose. So in my opinion, she is the last person I would give any awards to. As a matter of fact I would be hard pushed to find anyone in the political arena in Northern Ireland who would deserve an award for anything. |
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Post by Jim on Jun 1, 2008 0:34:18 GMT
Her determination to bring in a fairer educational system is part of the policy of her party, she's only a minister, not a think tank. We've produced better results but we also have a much smaller population than both Scotland and England. Like you say, a lot more people are passing A levels in those countries, so whats the problem? There is a lot more competition for university places and higher education places in England and Scotland than there is in NI, due to the size of the populations compared to ours. The University of Ulster is huge, Belfast tech is huge, Queens is huge, a lot of universities in England aren't nearly on the same scale with how many students they have enrolled.
You're also taking for granted that full time education is important, its not, most of the time I wish I was a bloody brick layer or something so I could earn some money and not coming out with £20,000 in debt for the privalge of an education. So the 11+ is not the start of our education woes and its not the end of it either. It gets much deeper as you progress and much more expensive.
Political ideology is always in education policy. Always. Thatcher tried to destroy the working class accessing university level through political ideology, introducing payed fees to put a lot of people off going, then saying we all have a free choice in an economically free society, even though the vast majority of people didn't have a choice in the end, that is political ideology in education mate, not SF's opposition to the 11+.
Britain's education system has a terrible reputation throughout Europe and North America, its old, backward and outdated up until university level where it becomes more respected. I wonder why? Remember that NI contributes to that reputation too.
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