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Post by Jim on May 14, 2008 13:59:20 GMT
Lads this isnt about politics, its about rangers and the russians.
I'm just back in from the city center, wanted to check it out and needed to pick up something, the place is a sea of blue, and loads around albert square and the big square where the big wheel is, the city council are using the big screens to show the match.
100,000 smelly scots and irish.
Bouncer in my local was telling me last night he's dreading tomorrow night and hoping they don't find the pub haha.
On Zenit and racism, it is true but keep in mind racism is a whole different game in Russia, its everywhere, right from the police to the judges to the government to the skinhead gangs. The manager has said before he wants to sign other players but the fans just wont have it. Thats not my issue at the minute, they still play football worthy of winning the cup and thats why I'll support them, that, and I could never support rangers ;D
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Post by Bilk on May 14, 2008 15:23:16 GMT
I'm not sure what I am supposed to be reading on your link that relates to the footballers and others of Liverpool. I did notice that when nationalists left "their" homes they set fire to them first. Now the news are interested, idiot prods would leave in the middle of the night using a coal lorry. Not newsworthy? |
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2008 16:20:42 GMT
lads, any chance?
I went to the shop to get some money out and pick up a loaf and the entire beer fridge has been sold out, theres not a can or case left to be seen.
Good to see Rangers fans are up to their neck in fenian blood, still. Had to pleasure of walking past about 200 people singing it.
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Post by Wasp on May 14, 2008 20:31:28 GMT
You still learning your history ONLY from historians and writers etc that suits your arguements? Oh I forgot the republican myths and denials about what really happened up here and still is as well.
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Post by Wasp on May 14, 2008 20:34:09 GMT
And I'm sure if Ireland was never partitioned, your community would have done exactly the same right? Nah we British just don't complain enough, it's not in our nature, nor was it drummed into us to hate thmuns or taught things that would make us hate themuns in our schools and Churchs. I think an Irish reporter stated this shame that the Irish education and religious education has taught people. |
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Post by Bilk on May 14, 2008 21:10:52 GMT
And I'm sure if Ireland was never partitioned, your community would have done exactly the same right? Nope I don't think it's in their nature, never was and don't think ever will be. We were taught that what we get is what we work for, my church also taught "love thy neighbour" that is what was drummed into us. While others were being taught in schools and churches to hate. And please don't come back at me with a list of paramilitaries, they were a tiny minority of the unionist community. And no one came out with bin lids to tell them the brits were coming to arrest them. And those who represented paramilitaries politically still have to scrabble around for a vote at elections, which proves my point, they were shunned for ignoring what they too were taught. Unlike the murderers in SF who trounced the SDLP, despite what they did in the past. And it doesn't matter that I agree with the policies of the parties who represent those same paramilitaries, they murdered innocent Catholics so they don't get my vote or the vote of the vast majority of protestans/unionists. |
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2008 21:33:59 GMT
Lads, another topic?
Rangers, you play shit football, you don't deserve shit in Europe.
Just waiting for it to kick off, apparently a riot broke out at picadilly gardens when a screen failed.
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Post by bearhunter on May 14, 2008 23:02:38 GMT
What a shite game of football that was.
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2008 23:25:04 GMT
I ended up paying more attention to the Hull v Watford match on the screen next to it.
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 9:39:30 GMT
And I'm sure if Ireland was never partitioned, your community would have done exactly the same right? Nah we British just don't complain enough, it's not in our nature, nor was it drummed into us to hate thmuns or taught things that would make us hate themuns in our schools and Churchs. I think an Irish reporter stated this shame that the Irish education and religious education has taught people. So when home rule was on the cards, the original UVF were only getting those weapons because they liked the smell of gun oil and the Curragh mutiny wasn't really a mutiny, they just have very bad hearing then. We all know what would have happened had the shoe been on the other foot, so this holier than thou, 'we'd never do such a thing' attitude some of ye have is hilarious at best. And are you trying to say that historically the Protestant community of the north had nothing but love for their neighbors and that all the hatred came from one side? Pull the other one. Not that one, further left. WASP, you're in flying form this weather. When are you back from your holiday from reality? I can speak from first hand experience (and not from loose lips down in the local knee breakers hangout) that during all my years of education, I was NEVER taught to hate anyone. And being raised RC, and when I was forced to go to mass once a week, for 17 years, not once did I hear a single sermon on Protestants or hate. And if the British don't have complaining in their nature, then what nationality are you, because I actually can't remember the last time you made a constructive comment on here. |
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 9:43:19 GMT
And I'm sure if Ireland was never partitioned, your community would have done exactly the same right? Nope I don't think it's in their nature, never was and don't think ever will be. We were taught that what we get is what we work for, my church also taught "love thy neighbour" that is what was drummed into us. While others were being taught in schools and churches to hate. And please don't come back at me with a list of paramilitaries, they were a tiny minority of the unionist community. And no one came out with bin lids to tell them the brits were coming to arrest them. And those who represented paramilitaries politically still have to scrabble around for a vote at elections, which proves my point, they were shunned for ignoring what they too were taught. Unlike the murderers in SF who trounced the SDLP, despite what they did in the past. And it doesn't matter that I agree with the policies of the parties who represent those same paramilitaries, they murdered innocent Catholics so they don't get my vote or the vote of the vast majority of protestans/unionists. Like it or not, it is in your nature, and I've pointed to historical examples above. It's very sectarian to believe that you are different and better than your neighbour because you had a different upbringing. No-one here is fooled as to what would have happened in the 20's had Britain decided to cut loose the whole island. The kaisers guns wouldn't have been used for show and that's for sure. |
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 11:48:19 GMT
Nope I don't think it's in their nature, never was and don't think ever will be. We were taught that what we get is what we work for, my church also taught "love thy neighbour" that is what was drummed into us. While others were being taught in schools and churches to hate. And please don't come back at me with a list of paramilitaries, they were a tiny minority of the unionist community. And no one came out with bin lids to tell them the brits were coming to arrest them. And those who represented paramilitaries politically still have to scrabble around for a vote at elections, which proves my point, they were shunned for ignoring what they too were taught. Unlike the murderers in SF who trounced the SDLP, despite what they did in the past. And it doesn't matter that I agree with the policies of the parties who represent those same paramilitaries, they murdered innocent Catholics so they don't get my vote or the vote of the vast majority of protestans/unionists. Like it or not, it is in your nature, and I've pointed to historical examples above. It's very sectarian to believe that you are different and better than your neighbour because you had a different upbringing. No-one here is fooled as to what would have happened in the 20's had Britain decided to cut loose the whole island. The kaisers guns wouldn't have been used for show and that's for sure. Did I say my community was better, I even at one stage called them idiots. Because they didn't follow the nationalists tendancy to have every single eposode of what happened to them highlighted in the press. It's why no one knows about the events in Liverpool and the many other things that happened to the loyalist/unionist community, except those who were there to witness it. The stiff upper lip of the British could be no stiifer than it is in Northern Ireland. The rush to forgive those who bombed and killed their families is proof of that. While republicans want an inquirey into every death of a nationalist in Northern Ireland, just so long as that death was not at the hands of those same republicans. These inquiries they know will never ever bear any fruit, but they know it keeps them looking like they were the ones being attacked in the worlds press. And yes the unionists in the north it is my beliefe would have fought for their freedom back in the 20's. But I also believe it would not have been a terrorist campaign aimed solely at the civilian population in Ireland. The UVF of the time wore uniforms and were prepared to fight for their country's freedom and face the British army, not the citezens of Ireland and then to play the media like a virtuoso violinist. It would not have been a dirty campaign, it would've been a civil war, much the same as the war between the north and the south in America. |
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 13:35:36 GMT
Pure conjecture Bilk. Evidence has shown your community was just as willing to roll it's sleeves up and get it's hands dirty as anyone else would. It would have been a dirty sectarian battle, where both sides would have cleansed the minorities in their area out. To assume it would have been some noble honorable battle after the filth we've witnessed (from both sides) over the last few decades is absurd.
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Post by Bilk on May 15, 2008 13:50:06 GMT
Pure conjecture Bilk. Evidence has shown your community was just as willing to roll it's sleeves up and get it's hands dirty as anyone else would. It would have been a dirty sectarian battle, where both sides would have cleansed the minorities in their area out. To assume it would have been some noble honorable battle after the filth we've witnessed (from both sides) over the last few decades is absurd. By the way you asked me to make conjecture in your question. All I can say to that is that I base what I believe on the evidence I have. Indisputable evidence, it is accepted by both sides that this was the case. It was the British Army the UVF were facing, until the officers in that same Army refused to order their troops to open fire on what it said were their citezens. Some people do have morals you know, not usually polititions, but every once in a while the polititions have to get the ordrinary man to do their bidding and they refuse. The British were between a rock and a hard place, and the rest as they say is history. That is what I base my beliefe on, you are the one conjecturing. |
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Post by earl on May 15, 2008 14:19:16 GMT
I've around 30 years of evidence which backs up my claim.
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