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Post by An Fear Dubh on May 19, 2008 13:47:23 GMT
I have to say I agree with Bilk on the link thing. We must try to be honest and people must accept some things at face value, without the need to provide admisable courtroom evidence. Of course we have seen lots of dodgy stuff here, but I think it is usually blatently obvious when that occurs.
I can accept and agree that to some extent Bilk is correct in this case. And he is only highlighting a perception that does have some basis in fact. I also accept Setanta that you are correct that what is being proposed by SF and what is happening in various councils do not mean that SF are on a certain strategy. And we need to seperate them apart. Because this is where the confusion begins.
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Post by earl on May 19, 2008 14:27:12 GMT
It's the Easter Lily to Commerate the 1916 Easter Risings Fallen. Similar to your Poppy, which i respect. And you're OK with the Poppy then I would have thought you'd be OK with the Lily as they both commerate Patriot Dead . Now dont give me the line that the Poppy is Commerating those that died for Freedom and the Lily for Terrorists because the Poppy Commerates all falled British Service Personal. Including the ones that kept Ireland under British rule when the population made it abundently clear at the polls that we wanted Independence. On your assertion that "There are SF run councils wanting to teaar down memorials to war dead, (Nothing to do with loyalist paramilitaries, but war dead) and replace them with memorials to dead provies", I've never seen that. Where'd you hear it? Ok the insistance on links is annoying but I will try to find some, I accept without asking for links things that people say on here, but it seems I'm a liar unless if I post something they don't know about. Now Bilk, you are forcing words into my mouth that I never said. Show me where I called you a liar? In a debate, it is common to ask for your sources, and in this case, I've publicly accepted that I am not fully aware of everything involved in this issue and have merely asked for the kindness of others to help give me further information on this issue for my own sake. We have dealt with the issue of SF demanding that certain unionist symbols within council buildings be removed for parity of esteem, but I have never heard that they are replacing them with republican ones. There's a huge difference between parity of esteem and what you've said on this thread. On another thread, you basically stated about not fully trusting historians, I apply that logic to everyone, as everyone has an agenda. Sometimes honest people also make mistakes or embellishments or say half -truths without knowing it, so no-one is honest enough to emphatically believe. Not even me!  |
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Post by Bilk on May 19, 2008 15:25:28 GMT
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Post by earl on May 19, 2008 15:40:18 GMT
Hi Bilk,
Thanks for the links, I was only looking for examples. None of these examples state that these republican monuments are being erected on sites where unionist monuments have previously stood though, as you've stated on this thread.
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Post by Bilk on May 19, 2008 15:55:55 GMT
Hi Bilk, Thanks for the links, I was only looking for examples. None of these examples state that these republican monuments are being erected on sites where unionist monuments have previously stood though, as you've stated on this thread. I answered this above mate, that came later not sure if I said it or someone else because this got away off thread. My original statement was. We were ridding ourselves of our evil past while republicans, were they were in power. "were calling for memorials to their murderers to be built" |
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Post by Wasp on May 19, 2008 15:57:50 GMT
I think an equally valid point is the fact republicans want the removal of Unionist symbols yet maintain there own monuments as well as wanting to create new ones.
The statue in Limavady is completely out of sight to the public unless they walk into the area it is in behind a building, republicans have monuments in village/town centres etc which are in full public view.
I know a considrable amount of people in Limavady and very few ever heard of the Massey statue, and of those that did hear about it only heard after sf griping.
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Post by Wasp on May 19, 2008 15:59:14 GMT
Bearhunter has been the only one from the republican/nationalist side to comment on the uvf garden I mentioned. There is complete proof yet no comments on it.
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Post by earl on May 19, 2008 16:47:25 GMT
Sorry WASP, I thought it was the same as the one Bilk previously had linked to! Trying to catch up on a monday can make you skip over stuff so easily.
Again, this action can only be commended. Any move towards normality is a good move. I hope to hear of similar actions from the republican side at some point.
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Post by Wasp on May 19, 2008 16:59:41 GMT
No probs Earl.
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